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22RE Turbo oil feed
« on: December 02, 2007, 02:44:26 AM »

If you are building a 22RE turbo motor you shouldn't tap into the existing oil holes below the oil filter because that is unfiltered oil. You should drill a new hole just to the left of the filter, there is a flat spot there, this could be the spot where the 22RTE's get their oil ? If you are running it out of a oil cooler sandwich adapter you should make sure it's filtered oil. If you actually 4x4 with your truck drilling the block out so that it drains where the 22RTE's drain wouldn't be a bad idea either, if ur gonna be side hilling for a long time, because an oil pan drain could be under oil.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 10:16:27 AM »


One other option is to add an in-line fiter in your oil feed line.
I've found that there is a huge diffrence in quality between oil filters.

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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2007, 09:08:48 PM »

If you are building a 22RE turbo motor you shouldn't tap into the existing oil holes below the oil filter because that is unfiltered oil. You should drill a new hole just to the left of the filter, there is a flat spot there, this could be the spot where the 22RTE's get their oil ?
RTE's gain access for turbine oiling from the rear of the block, through a drilled galley that intersects the channel from the pump. When you feed from the existing port you've described you simply add a Moroso inline tubular filter. Real easy task. You can certainly drill and tap the boss you've mentioned as well, but oil filters tend to bypass often, and they're no comparison to an aftermarked tube filter's abilities, and the tube in line can be cleaned, and reused indefinitely. Good point of mention though.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 06:12:05 PM »

I ran my oil feed from a remote mounted oil filter housing to get filtered oil but i just pulled off my second turbo with a bad shaft. It seems to be scored heavily but the inside of the of the bearings do not look so bad. I was going to send out the turbo to be rebuilt and see if they can tell what happened. I was thinking of putting an in line filter also and that moroso one sounds like a good idea. I'm open to any idea's.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2007, 07:32:55 AM »



Bob, the turbo shaft is much harder than the journal bearings.  Are there score lines on the inside of the bearing? Did you find any traces of debris on the thrust bearing itself?

Used turbos are a bit of a risk.. And used turbos that have been previously disassembled are even worse, as most people don't reassemble them paying attention to orientation, which impacts balance.

Myself and at least one other person on this forum run in-line filters due to previous problems destroying turbos.   In my case, it's likely due to new engine break in debris. 

If you get a filter, the things to pay attention to are how fine a filter it has (usually in microns), total filter area, and if it can be reused/cleaned/easily replaced.   I've got an inline filter FS on this forum, it's filter was too small for all the crap I was passing through my motor, but it can be easily cleaned.

Running a regular oil filter in line works also - big filter element, don't have to change it often.  Just be sure to buy a high quailty automotive filter - there's a huge difference between brands.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2007, 05:19:08 PM »

It looked pretty clean inside there. i did not want to disturb much so the rebuilder could tell. the 2nd turbo was new and did the same thing. the outside of the bearings were scored some but the insides didn't look bad. It is baffleing. I would think the bearings would go first. I cant imagine having that much crap passing thru the oil filter. motor has abou 25k on rebuild. Is a inline tube filter better than an additional automotive oil housing?
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 06:38:18 PM »

It looked pretty clean inside there. i did not want to disturb much so the rebuilder could tell. the 2nd turbo was new and did the same thing. the outside of the bearings were scored some but the insides didn't look bad. It is baffleing. I would think the bearings would go first. I cant imagine having that much crap passing thru the oil filter. motor has abou 25k on rebuild. Is a inline tube filter better than an additional automotive oil housing?
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It's 10 micron, takes up a lot less space, but a fairly small filter element.  Average oil filters catch about 40% of 10 micron particles.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 03:03:25 PM »

Moroso did some research and they found that anything smaller than 20 microns is not big enough to cause engine wear. So any filter that claims smaller than 20 microns is just making the engine lose oil flow volume. not ideal. this info was in a recent Hot Rod magazine or maybe Car Craft i get both.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 05:25:23 AM »

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and the tube in line can be cleaned, and reused indefinitely

IMO it's still important to have a means to ensure the turbo can get oil if the filter becomes plugged.  No sense making sure the turbo gets clean oil only to have it fail due to no oil at all.

I change my oil at 2500 miles and what comes out of the RE engine at every oil change looks like it's been in there for years.  Anyone else have similar experiences?  I have a 45 mile commute one way on the highway so the engine isn't running short trips or cold drive cycles.  Now on the other hand, I have a Pontiac engine with 300,000 on the original turbo and the oil stays so clean it's hard to see on the stick.  I have to wonder why the oil in the Toyota engine gets so dirty in the first place.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 10:05:55 AM »

I've had them fail both ways: Fail due to crap in the oil and fail due to crap clogging up a small in-line filter.

I have a theory that the oil going to the turbo is pre-filter... But I don't know that for sure.

For me, I now use a remote oil kit - a full sized filter just to filter the oil for the turbo.  And a non-Fram filter.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 11:45:54 AM »

Interesting...

I gave up Fram for ACDelco  about 20 years ago.  I've given up AC and now run a Motocraft FL400S filter on the Yota.

My local trans shop uses an inline filter which will bypass in case of restriction.  I should find out the particle size it's designed for.
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Re: 22RE Turbo oil feed
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 06:57:00 PM »

Fyi, the factory oil filters are the best. As are denso's if you can find them.
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